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James Roguski's avatar

The "cholesterol" theory is fraudulent.

Statins are poisons.

This has been known for decades.

I literally wrote the book 16+ years ago.

http://YourDoctorisaLIAR.com

tanya marquette's avatar

Yes, I read the efforts to lower the acceptable standard for cholesterol and they coincide with the industry wanting to expand its marketing base. It is never about health. A woman once told me her doctor wanted to get her levels down to 100! I was horrified, told her that cholesterol was necessary to keep her alive but she was a real dumb one and clearly would not listen.

TnDoc's avatar

It is sad. These people are not "dumb", so much as completely brainwashed by the Med Ind Complex. The MIC has become a literal religion and people blindly put their faith in the priests in white coats.

shaman54inPennsylvania's avatar

Another great business model exploited by the pushers of poison, aka big pharma. A friend of mine has been on statins for years and he now has to be monitored by a liver oncologist for issues with his liver.

TnDoc's avatar

Yes. Disease creation and maintenance is the model. A never-ending revenue stream until Death intervenes...

jumping irving's avatar

Anthrax created 2002 (? there abouts) all military received 6 shots. Who made billions? The anthrax twins?

David Thomson's avatar

It's part of human nature, you hear something repeated long enough (Cholesterol is bad and causes heart disease) then you believe it must be true. Both my parents were put on statins for zero good reason (very health early 70s exercise, eat well, etc no illness). Thankfully my mother stopped, but my father continues and his health has rapidly deteriorated in the last two years.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

the relic of 'the doctor knows it all' is still very much alive. It takes being treated wrong and find out to open your eyes. In my case it was a doc who was asked to give me something for the cough and kept on prescribing antibiotics, until I got allergic to them.

Only then did my parents realize, when I needed a lung specialist to get me back on my feet (with an excellent and cheap product named Entoral that was soon thereafter taken off the market because it healed people).

Nancy Monahan's avatar

100%. This is particularly true if they are a physician that trained at a prestigious institution -- extra god-like status.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

My dad was in the hospital 2 months ago and a professor came by and said he needed a bone marrow test. Very unusual for my dad, he consented, because this was A Professor. At least the house doctor has a dim view of the treatment this man proposes, as his own mother lived to be 94 with this condition.

TnDoc's avatar

Yup. An Ivy League degree is completely without special value in the real world of actually caring for patients... The main thing these scraps of fake sheep skin will affirm to the self-deluded recipients of these awards is that they are at least demi-gods and far, far above mere peasants.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

and that has been the downfall of many a great civilisation ! Once the Elites think they deserve that E, the civilisation is doomed. Because it is the plebs that do the work and the elitists are just profiting on them. Look at all the people in government - most don't do anything but lobby for their own pocket. They produce nothing and do not make life better for their people, usually on the contrary. How many people in the US government have lifted a finger for the people? 2 ?

Crixcyon's avatar

Dumb enough to be brainwashed without questioning anything.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Relic of the time of serfship I am afraid. I would not call it dumb, just servitude.looking up at a white collar, and especially a white coat, as if they know better.

Suzanne Kerr's avatar

My PCP ( if you can call him that) has been on me to take a statin. I have repeatedly refused. The last time was at my December, 2022 appointment where he proceeded to shame, cajole, and otherwise strong arm me into a statin after I yet again refused. He demanded to know WHY I wouldn’t take his generous offer of poison! I took my daughter into the exam room and she was horrified that any supposed professional would treat a patient so shamefully. Of course, I am looking for another PCP, but most in my neighborhood are connected to a large teaching/ research hospital. These docs have to tow the Big Pharma line. This means that many of the docs do Computer Medicine where the computer tells the doc what to prescribe for any ailment based on blood work.

aj's avatar

the computer doesn't tell the doctor to behave as an a-hole, that's all on him.

TnDoc's avatar

Change doctors! Yesterday!!!

jumping irving's avatar

My doc would not give me Ivermectin he said he would get fired, he got fired anyway, BY ME!

TSMe's avatar

It's understandable that the 'dumb ones' don't listen. It's how determined to maintain ignorance the 'smart ones' are that confounds me.

tanya marquette's avatar

One of my biggest frustrations and fears these days as the 'bright' ones also tend to be those who vote and will fight to maintain the toxic systems we have.

Brad Carlson's avatar

The Cholesterol Myths by Ufe Ravsnakov lays out the fallacy very well too. We need to ban the advertising of drugs.

Aimee's avatar

When my MD tried to put me on a statin as a “preventive measure”, despite my good cholesterol numbers and no history of risk, my red flags went off. He said, “But everyone will go on them eventually.” That was when I really started mistrusting Big Med.

tanya marquette's avatar

Oh, you just reminded me of something I was told years ago. A med student talking about her experience in school said they had planned on ever woman over 35 to be on HRT. It was a business goal having nothing to do with the need for those drugs. Statins are another business venture that ensures fortunes for the drug industry as well as propping up medical practices. Also important to remember that pushing mandated vaccines is a multi-million dollar business aspect for medical practices. One pediatrician spoke of his experience when he got censured for refusing to force this drugging on babies/toddlers. He had his office track the loss which was $1 million/year which he gave up for his principle To Do No Harm and the other one to provide real informed consent. Good for you that you heeded that red alarm.

TnDoc's avatar

Absolutely. I have been railing against these things since they first appeared in the 80s.

Sadly, these drugs are enshrined (like most vaxxx) as indispensable to Human health and, indeed, life. They are a multi-billion dollar industry and Big Pharma and their acolyte physicians will never let them go.

Mary's avatar

I've heard people say that you can't fix stupid. Certain factions in the world are depending on people remaining ignorant about health and medicine. That's why they never go out of business.

GERT BO THORGERSEN's avatar

I have during 14 years told the doctors that Statin is bad af by taking Statin, the Q10 is not produced in the body, and mithochondria bad working. And doctors then harming their patients by forgetting to also put them on Q10 pills. And researches have found conection to Alzheimes and more diseases.

Mary's avatar

Not surprised to hear what you're saying here. It's past time for the medical scams to end. As long as people refuse to learn and look for other alternatives for good health and healing. The medical scams will probably continue.

jumping irving's avatar

Hit the nail on the head!

Roman S Shapoval's avatar

James, I do agree that statins are poisons, however are you aware of how cholesterol metabolism made shift around WWII? This is when radar and microwave tech was introduced en masse. Radiofrequencies not only impair glucose, but cholesterol metabolism as they hamper our mitochondria through oxygen deprivation by breaking the electron transport chain. This is why even Uffe Ravnskov's earlie studies show that cholesterol had a protective effect, vs after the 1950s many more clogged arteries were showing up along with heart disease.

I wrote a post about it if you're interested. Love the cover of your book BTW. Thank you so much for your work. Kind regards, Roman

https://open.substack.com/pub/romanshapoval/p/how-electricity-created-heart-disease?r=1iykap&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

TnDoc's avatar

Yes. Statins increase Type II Diabetes rates about 38%

Rosalee's avatar

trading elevated lipids,

for diabetes, when there are natural alternatives to statins, for me is

not only NO, but NO!!!

Speaking of, in 2003

I lost my pituitary (total resection) due to a brain tumor

A % of patients, some only partial resection, become diabetics

and apparently in most cases they are brittle

Someone who I met who had tumor surgery after I did, later died due to the complications

I see those who opt for statins instead of natural alternatives in the same light

as diabetes impacts every organ in the body

Excess cortisol production, which happened to me when the

tumor pressured the pituitary to pump out excessive amounts of cortisol does same

in its effect on every organ in the body

TnDoc's avatar

Excellent info. Thanks for posting.

Alex Pollard's avatar

A late friend of the family called Walter Cliff was a senior medical researcher at John Curtin School of Medical Research about 30 years ago. He told us the cholesterol theory of heart disease was wrong.

John's avatar

I was told I needed a statin but instead ate one medium bulb, not just a clove, of raw Garlic for one month.

My Total Cholesterol plummeted from 300 to 140, with similar improvements in all the related markers.

Did I improve my health, or does Cholesterol not matter at all?

tanya marquette's avatar

Cholesterol is critical for our survival. One fact is that it is part of every cell's walls. Without it our cells dry up and would prevent molecules entering/existing cells. Garlic is really a phenomenal herb--practically a panacea! But you don't want your levels too low. Actually mine were just tested and they are a bit over 200 which is just fine. But if it was up to 250 I would still not worry. FYI, One bulb of garlic a month is really not a lot. I go thru 2-3 of them in salads and cooking.

jumping irving's avatar

Try LaBa pickled green garlic. Pickle my boiled eggs the same way!

tanya marquette's avatar

what do you mean by 'green' garlic? is it simple raw?

i do a lot of fermenting and have fermented garlic in the frig from 3 yrs ago that is still good and tasty. I have never tried pickling eggs--hmmm?

tanya marquette's avatar

Interesting. Will save this link. Not keen on using sugar which I never do in fermenting but this is intriguing. Much thanx.

I recall a recipe for 1000 yr eggs which is an old Chinese recipe using /duck eggs I believe. Chinese/asian cuisine is so fascinating, healthy and quite delicious.

GERT BO THORGERSEN's avatar

There is much more about cholesterol. Actually, last week in a sending last week fromm Dr.Jokers there was a fantastic good information about choleserol in the "The Great Cholesterol Myth", on 11 sides, original from july 2015, which I printet out, even thogh I own 16 books about cholesterol, bought after 14 years ago, fighting with doctors who wanted to put my wife on Statin, as she had 270 i cholesterol.

Back in Februar 2009, I printed out from Robert E Kowalski "The Blood Pressure Cure" side 151, don't owe the book but find this brobably i Google. A sheet for either women or men, with puttig in age, blood pressure, and more, and calculate out the score. and for >280, the score: 13 if age 20-39 while only 2 if age 70-79, and connect this score with the other and find the finish score, and then find the risk for heart attack. in %.

But in a sending some weaks ago, from Mercola, I found the newest result telling that if under 180 then 4 times bigger chance for heart attack, but i Dr.Johers, that under 200 then bad.

And aktually ad Schottich doctor, befor 2000, wroute that if having 240 then statistcally higher IQ than if only 220, and for 260 higher than 240.

And actually if up on 1,000 then ist a geen problem. And i a book I have a picture with 2 young persons who nearly can't stand up, an Cholesterol on 30 so insane. And cholesterol under 100, the nearly without doubt Alzheimers.

Marts monthe last yar I was down on 167 ng/ml and the doctor said "Oh how fine". Most doctors knows too liitle. In September, after sometimes a 100 mg Niacin (not Niacinamid) the vitamin B3, the op on 172. But then I discovered in my now 13 years old 500 side private doctor lexicon, that I had written 800 mg a day if increasing, correcting the number for cholesterol, and I hope i a week to again getting blod test.

Absolutely the best for me, 75 year old, would be to have 260, Here in Thailand during 20 years, by strees turned down from over 200, to 167.

If under 200, then start thinking about Alzheimers heart attac and much more.

But again, the 11 side sinding from Dr.Jokers are nearly better than any book.

PS. In the brain the Q10, CoQ10, is produced and need to the Mithochondria, but when doctors give Staitin against Cholesterol, the Q10 is not produced, and thereby much problems, as among oth Alzheimers.

tanya marquette's avatar

thanx for this info. i only wrote about one small piece of cholesterol as that is something people can understand and remember. will keep the resources you mention here.

And yes the need for extra coQ10 with statins critical and MDs neglect to tell patients. It really is a disease making system based solely on selling drugs. I often refer to Medicare as the biggest drug pushing program around!

GERT BO THORGERSEN's avatar

The cholesterol nonsense came after Keys famous, but wrong telling book about fat, that fat foot resulted in health problems, that persons getting heavy. Keys did not warn against cholesterol but the medical firm connected it to fat to earn mony. Keys from countries used the statistic with fit to his idea, about fat foot resulting in overweight , even though nerly as many other countries statistics told the totally opposit. But some doctors who tried to write articels telling this were blocked, as medical firms, again, wanted to earn money.

tanya marquette's avatar

Yes, I recall that when hydrogenated fats were identified as unhealthy they threw all fats into the narrative and cholesterol apparently also took a big hit. Part of the narrative was that coconut oil was bad for you. As that was not grown in the use with much commercial profit, and agribiz was developing monoculture production of corn and wheat all the $$$ and attention went into slamming coconut oil and cholesterol, both connected to the big profiteering of agribiz, big pharma and food processing industries--a triple whammy for corporate interests. Today all those industries are major controlling forces in public policy and political ownership by the corporations. Add into this all the captured federal oversight agencies by these industries. Sleeze is sleeze and it didn't begin yesterday!

Your point about contrary science being blocked is also part of this whole structure of economic and politic decision-making and public control. To also remind, all the medical journals are controlled by Big Pharma via their ads. These drug corporations also fund so much of the research as well as ghostwriting much of the alleged science printed. And keeping the public ignorant is essential for their marketing of their interests at the expense of the public's health and safety.

GERT BO THORGERSEN's avatar

Yes I know about all of this, and have told about this and more, since teen-age, back i 1960s. As child I wanted to be buth historian and doctor, but was trown out of highscool when talking against the Vietnam war, but then 12 year later started on engineering.

Coconot is called the "Tree of Life", and when the dentist i 1937 started to sail around to nearly unknown places on Earth and took good pictures, we saw exceptional healthy and beatiful persons, and especially eating and drinking coconut. We have the saturated and unsaturated acids, and coconut is in the group which is called unhealty, and first around 15 years ago coconut, internationally was starting in being called healthy. In Denmark we had an engineer, Lars Okholm, who after some medical educations, then had to do with health. And in his book from 1990, he wonder about coconut "why is it by internationally health called unhealthy". I wroute to him in 2008, I think, but the day before he then had died. I during the last 5 years among other I have read about virology, as since reeding when teenager, I then became sceptical against vaccines. As some docktor have said during more than 100 "Are you sick? Then go out in the sun". Or Hippokrates.

Mary's avatar

I believe you. Scam medicine at its best. Seems to me that the medical scams increase as the years go by. Long before covid at that. I forgot to mention in my previous post on this page today that even essential fatty acids are probably a better choice over statins. Since EFA's so far can't be patented. They will probably never be recommended by scam doctors since they are not paid to promote their usage. Glad on this end for the opportunities and the knowledge to live free from fake medicine. Bless you!

Aimee's avatar

I’ve heard that Niacin is sometimes prescribed for those unable to tolerate statins, the type that results in a “flush”. That would seem to be an alternative to explore, as well.

Mary's avatar

I didn't know about Niacin. I do believe in taking the B-complex vitamins. Certain components of the B vitamins are reportedly beneficial for different health issues. I consider B vitamins as one medicine for good heart, blood, brain, liver, kidneys and nervous system health. Some people have yet to learn that toxic chemicals won't spare their lives or improve their health. My guess is that toxic overload is the major contributor of diseases and bad health in the first place.

jumping irving's avatar

LIAR,LIAR,LIAR All dr are liars cause they are controlled by FSMB FEDERATION of STATE MEDICAL BOARDS. FSMB is a private corporation which controls all state boards. Example: ..ask my dr. for Ivermectin, he said he would get fired if he did. He got fired anyway BY ME! If you can't self medicate you are in trouble. NEBULIZE WITH H2O2 and never get another virus of any kind. https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-dark-truth-america-federation-state-medical-boards/5794682 I have been posting this for 2 years and never have I gotten a negative response, is today the day?

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

While I've yet to have these conversations, I will have them with my doctors:

Me: "Why did you start me on therapy for X?"

He: "Because you met clinical guidelines to begin treatment for X."

Me: "I agree. And isn't it true that you are basically legally mandated to advocate such treatments?"

He: "Yes."

Me: "Doctor, what would you say if I told you I have researched the issue, and that such treatments are all but useless to the average patient, providing no expected benefit and incurring adverse effects? What conclusions am I , the patient, to draw when I've discovered that not only do my physicians try to put me on regimens that are of no expected value, but even potentially harmful, not to mention costing me money and time, and that if they' don't, they incur the risk of being fired or losing their license to practice medicine?"

He: ???

My next few doctor's appointments are going to be REAL interesting!

jumping irving's avatar

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT. My (sic) (SIC) (sic) doctor would not give me Ivermectin said,if he did, he would get fired.He did not give me Ivermectin, he got fired anyway,BY ME! Now I'm (sic) doctor free. Nebulize with H2O2 and never get another VIRUS!

JorJorWell's avatar

"... statin manufacturers and a group of researchers at Oxford University remain guardians of the individual participant data, and refuse access to outside researchers for independent scrutiny."

Now why might they do that?

Corporate 'science', not real Science.

Joe Kraimer's avatar

JorJor, you beat me to it. I had copied the last paragraph and was ready to paste.

Horace the Menace's avatar

All I can say is that statins definitely helped me. I was diagnosed with high cholesterol about 20 years ago and prescribed statins. Very shortly afterwards I suffered a completely ruptured achilles tendon - which I discovered is a potential side effect of statins.

Obviously I never took statins again, but following my achilles tendon operation and once the cast was off - as a result of my injury I decided to start exercising, lost 50 lbs and my cholesterol dropped back to the normal range and has stayed there ever since.

I never would have done any of that without getting my tendon destroyed by the statins - so you see - in my case at least - the medicine worked perfectly!

Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

Great anecdote....thanks for sharing.

Troll Hunter's avatar

I had Achilles tendinitis as a result of ligament relaxation that occurs with age and the foot consequently not fitting in the shoe properly, plus clenching my toes from the stress of the massive persecution of unvaccinated people. So I wasn't exercising during that time. I went to the M.D. for a "check up" early this year. He freaked at my BP, said at the rate I'm going I will have a heart attack or a stroke in the next 5 years and he wanted to put me on a blood pressure drug right away. Well, that terrorized me. I called a friend who happened to be taking the Amlodipine drug he wanted me to take and it causes her ankles to swell (kidney damage, if you ask me), so I went to my Chinese L.Ac. who got my BP down to 132/82, from 166/82. Sometimes the L.Ac. wants to "tonify" the heart chi which results in higher systolic pressure, or put moxa on the needles, heating up the meridians which also increases BP, so I went back to my old L.Ac. up north. I feel much better. Then the blood lipids test results came in. My HDL is 54, but the LDL is 250. Again, the M.D. freaked and said he wanted me on a statin immediately... with my history of Achilles tendinitis.. I just ignored the Big Pharma BULLYING and am keeping on with weight reduction via TRE and intermittent fasting. I've lost 8 pounds since January 6th. I got shoes that fit me much better and am resuming my daily walks. Everyone tells me my BP and cholesterol levels will normalize as my insulin levels return to normal. I'm 66 and am down to 152 lbs. from a high of 176 a few years ago. Going to an M.D. means I could die from a heart attack from the terrorizing as they now use scare tactics to get you frightened into taking poisons that WILL kill you.

TnDoc's avatar

Avoid white coats and blue lights.

Troll Hunter's avatar

YES!! It's a very different experience going to the L.Ac. with soothing music, if any, at all, and darkened or no lights once in treatment. They don't scare you to death and you don't get an "attitude" that they're there to remind you that they are the People Who've Ascended to The Top of Society-- never mind they're mostly just a bunch of corporate lemmings working for wages and they don't know much of anything, judging from the "results" they get. My dad died of congestive heart failure at age 81. I don't know if that was from high BP or the meds they used to control it. They told him to not eat eggs or cheese or meat. What a load of BEE ESS. I agree with Dr. Mercola, they just want to make money off of us and now we're being called "statin deniers" if you disagree. That's "The Science" these days. https://takecontrol.substack.com/p/why-are-statins-bad-for-you

TnDoc's avatar

Statins without CoQ-10 supplementation can lead to CHF. Just "coincidently" there has been an explosion of CHF cases that seems to follow the intro of statins. No problem, as there are now many CHF specific clinics where they can keep the sheep shearing going for extended periods of time... Sad. Never let an iatrogenic "disease" go to waste!

Troll Hunter's avatar

Mercola says to avoid them at almost all costs, and adding CoQ10 won't help you, because Big Pharma wants your cholesterol LOW LOW LOW. Even if you take red yeast rice, it's IDENTICAL to statins (and you'll still have the problem with elevated liver enzymes). In fact, Big Pharma ripped off the molecule and patented it! Aseem Malhotra, M.D. cardiology, says that statins save lives in people with established heart disease. Not sure I'm there yet. Will be taking apple pectin to get rid of the calcium deposits that don't belong in my arteries, or anyone else's, either ;-)

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Malhotra is right. Statins, baby aspirin and hypertension treatment are of greater benefit in those with prior circulatory disease. The net improvement is still very modest, but much better than primary prevention. Whether benefit outweighs risks is much harder to determine.

tanya marquette's avatar

Understand the journey very well. Had a problem years ago with my leg bones not staying in place. Like you, it was due to ligament relaxation. Then I was not as informed as today so would have the chiro push the bones back in place but they would not remain. Caused all kinds of long term knee damage. Then had the same problem with my wrist. By then I had gotten into homeopathy and low level laser work. Applied the laser to the wrist and 1 tx everything tightened up structurally. Gave myself a 2nd tx just to reinforce the healing. It has been about12-15 yrs since that episode with no repeat. No medical doctor would have trusted or supported such simple, safe and rapid healing. We really need to educate ourselves in order to protect ourselves from the white coat intimidation tactics they use and also need to learn the various means of building health and healing that we can use.

Mary's avatar

So true. If we don't learn the truth about health and medicine for ourselves. We will surely suffer the consequences for being ignorant.

jumping irving's avatar

AMEN, I have been saying that for years, Self medicate, self medicate. I don't mind the virus just made me dig harder to find out what works. Google scholar really works! Nebulize with H2O2 never get another virus!

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

What is laser work? I need this! I have joint/ligament/tendon pain in nearly all areas. I go to chiropractic, acupuncture, Chinese massage with little improvement:(

tanya marquette's avatar

Sorry for the delay in answering you--misplaced this page.

Low Level Laser, or Cold Laser is an energy form of healing. It is worked on the outside of the body, so nothing mechanically invasive. It serves to stimulate the ATP in your cells to do healing. Depending on the frequency it can be used for anything physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

I have 2 different unit: Avant EZ30 and Scalar Wave, only the basic unit. There are other companies and you can look these units up as well as Low Level Laser. I got into this protocol from my dentist of all people! He let me use his so I could sit long in his chair. It cured old sprains that never healed in about 2 sessions (10 minutes) and it helped repair knee cartilage when I couldn't walk. Because my units have a large variety of modalities, I have used it for grief and anxiety (chakra modes) as well as Lyme, pneumonia, migraines, dental problems and even brain seizures in a dog and a cat. Amazing results. Thee units are pricey but if you have chronic issues or will wnat to help others, like your family, it is a great investment. Practitioners who use this are chiropractors, physical therapists, veterinarians and maybe orthopedists. Not many of them yet, but this protocol is catching on. Even my chiro tells me to go home and treat myself.

Here is one link to read. Most info online focuses on the structural area of the body as this is what the FDA has approved and people are cautious about advertising beyond that. Hope this note is clear but you can post me privately for more info

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Low_Level_Laser_Therapy

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

Do you have to be a practitioner to purchase? The link only sells tshirts/hats. Where do you buy this item? TY!

tanya marquette's avatar

Sorry. I was sending an article describing the protocol. You do not have to be a licensed practitioner to purchase these units

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Low_Level_Laser_Therapy

Have to leave now but will be home in about 4 hours and can give you more time/info if needed

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

Thank you I’ll definitely check it out. Is it similar to Rife?

tanya marquette's avatar

On one of my units, the Avant, Rife frequesncies can programmed.

No sure how the actual treatments work with Rife as I have not done it.

Can say that Rife developed his protocol from studying homeopathy. He just

mechanized the process by mapping out the frequencies of things in life and translating them into a machine that can transmit them. I am assuming that my LLL Avant unit does a similar process. Do you do Rife work? Tell me about it.

Just_Henry's avatar

Hospitals are modern day gas chambers and doctors have become executioners☠️

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

"But, it's an effective delousing procedure! I've read the literature."

Troll Hunter's avatar

Excellent! Though they are great at ER/Crisis Medicine, I often feel like I'm being led to the slaughterhouse when I go to a simple appointment in a medical office. And all the stoopid families (many of them Asian who are a bunch of social climbers determined to "prove" their "superiority" to stoopid White ppl who just wanna smoke pot and major in computer games while waiting to inherit the trust fund) think their "Dahktah" son or dahtah is soooo great because they wear an "M.D." behind their name. SLAVES to Pharma.

Traffer's avatar

Funny! I have a similar story from my Type II Diabetes diagnosis. Best health I've had in years as it was the wake up call needed to putting me on track to better understanding how our bodies work. The changes were so outwardly noticeable that my kids have put many of the practices, which turned it around for me, into their own life choices.

tanya marquette's avatar

An expensive learning process if you ask me. Seeing a holistic practitioner, even a homeopathy, would have been a much safer and less painful healing.

Just_Henry's avatar

The antibiotic cipro will also increase the risk for achilles tendon rupture

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Levaquin also has a side effect which was not high enough on the side-effects list at that time (but may have moved up now), and that was suicidal tendencies. Really bad stuff. Family member was taking for whatever, and was mentally going down hill fast. Was able to bring that to a halt and pull back from the edge. Now insist that drug be listed on family members’ medical history documentation under allergies. Calculate if one family member’s physiology (genetic makeup?) made them susceptible, did not want to run the risk of a repeat reaction. We reported the reaction to the prescribing doctor, the drug company, and FDA. Got lectured by the doctor for ‘practicing medicine’. As if the reaction was not something we were qualified to observe and report. Go figure. You are your own first line of defense.

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I would not be able to hold back on that doc and his arrogant comment.

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webstersmill's avatar

Like that old joke punch line, ‘Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes’. Family member was vibrant, bubbly, optimistic, self-confident person on a short course of Levaquin, reduced to withdrawn, sad and despairing. Only change was the Levaquin. Cause and effect right in front of our eyes. Cease the Levaquin, return to normal. But many doctors don’t read about the possible side effects, and summarily discount patient reporting. Just like they are doing with the Covid (mal-identified) vaccine side effects. It appears doctor grandiose behavior has only been emboldened even further by government mandates.

Bob Johnston's avatar

Nothing is either good or bad but thinking it will make it so.

Realonomics's avatar

Glad you got there in the end, but your doctor should have gone with the least invasive, least damaging therapy first. Which is to recommend exercise, good diet, and a healthy weight. Sadly, doctors these days are just drug dealers with a certificate on the wall.

tanya marquette's avatar

Absolutely true! I support Single Payer health care without interference of the drug and insurance industries but Medicare 4 All is nothing but a drug pushing program with those 2 industries creating formulaic protocols for every person.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Actually to be fair to him - he did recommend that and I didn't do it initially.

The funny (or sad) thing is that, when I eventually did, he remarked that I was the only patient he had ever had who actually did do it.

Realonomics's avatar

Wow, that's crazy. Good on you for getting there!

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Lol 😂 I’m glad it worked so well… 😁👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🙏🏽

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I seem to suffer this but have never taken statins ever and believe me I get plenty of bullying. I used to take HRT for a few years, for hot flashes, but stopped after I got injured by Pfizer #2. I have hyper mobility (before the Pfizer) but I used to get yearly flu shots🤪and some other vaccines 🤪 but no more! Luckily I refused the shingles injection! I no longer trust any medication OTC and I’m struggling to trust supplements....because they still are made by big pharma. Anyway, I’d love to know more about the laser treatment.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Indeed - although it didn't take all that long as far as I remember - only a few weeks - although my recolection is pretty vague at this point.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

There are worse things :-) - and all's well that ends well.

Doctors are trapped in a world of lies just like most of us. It's not their fault - the problem is with the liars not the innocent well-meaning men who fall for the lies.

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webstersmill's avatar

Generation aging hippie here - I actually remember when the doctor would take your hands and look at the nail beds. Yes, an actual licensed medical practitioner did that. Of course, the doctor was ‘old school’ where being a well-rounded diagnostician was part of the drill, an important skill. The competent general practitioners had not yet become merely the funnel to the ‘specialties’. My revered doctor (D.O.) passed away (old age). Have not found anyone comparable to substitute, so I have been on my own for years. Did the homework and DID NOT take the clot shot mal-identified as a ‘vaccine’, nor did any of my extended family - we were ‘schooled’ when reading and comprehension was an actual skill set.

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I visited my doctor and requested a full blood test and Coronary Artery Calcification Score test (I'd read this was one of the best indicators of heart attack probabilty). He had to look it up!

I'm 57, and in relatively good shape.

My results came back: CACS = 0 - no calcium build up detected (<1% chance of heart attack in the next decade). Resting pulse 52 bpm. Blood pressure 120/76. Cholesterol: in the upper range - always has been.

Doctor zooms in on Cholesterol intently. "It's not good!" he declares, looking seriously concerned. "I strongly recommend statins", he states whilst grasping his prescription booklet and pen. "No, definitely not", I say definitively. Shaking his head indignantly, he says "Well, you'd better keep a close eye on things".

The vast majority of these doctors are clueless! Their trusting patients being led down the garden path, picking one pharmaceutical after another as they go.

I am not your Other's avatar

We are all learning how to doctor ourselves better now. Good for you for doing your own research!

TSMe's avatar

Doctoring ourselves. I think that's a good thing. Next on the list, cooking!

Troll Hunter's avatar

Your doctor is in the kitchen.

TSMe's avatar

Well, it seems patient care is not their thing, so, perhaps many belong in the kitchen...

Troll Hunter's avatar

You didn't get it... Your "doctor" is in the kitchen.. that would be the FOOD you eat. To HELL with the doctor, LEARN HOW TO EAT RIGHT! Check out Dr. Pradip Jamnadas's YouTube videos on how he treats his cardiology patients. It's amazing the results he's getting just from getting people to eat whole foods, use time restricted eating and intermittent fasting, and avoid all processed foods and white flour.

TSMe's avatar

I should have picked it up by the absence of a question mark. I thought you were injecting a little levity (heaven forbid).

My diet is well sorted. Pretty much as you summarised. Cheers.

TnDoc's avatar

Absolutely. I tell all my patients to avoid doctors except in instances of severe trauma and some safely remediated conditions like cataracts. Learn to be your own doc. Amerikan Medicine is GOOD at battlefield medicine (GSW, Car wrecks, broken bones, burns, etc.) as this nation has been at war my entire 70+ years and that military interventionism has elevated such emergency care to exceptional levels of competency.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Why not be a bit cheeky? With my recent education, I'd say: "Doctor, you are aware, aren't you, that lipids have little bearing on heart disease, and that statins although they do reduce LDL, make nearly no impact on longevity? There's decades of research supporting these. Shall I send you some studies you can browse at your leisure?"

TSMe's avatar

Next time, for sure.

Just_Henry's avatar

Listen to what he is saying! An MD that blindly pushes starins is telling you to find another doctor☠️

Ruth Butros's avatar

Their refusal to do their own research results in a lack of trust and people refusing to seek treatment when the treatment could actually help. This cholesterol stupidity is out of control and many of us who've experienced the drama of refusing statins will likely avoid doctors, knowing they are robots for pharma.

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Kathy Clarke's avatar

I can tell you, as a family physician of 24 years, I was chastised by a drug rep who had access to my prescribing records and my workplace, for not prescribing enough statins.

TSMe's avatar

Well, Dr Clarke, it's obvious you need to 'pull your finger out'.

If it was me, I'd do just that, then show it to the drug rep. But, I tend to lack diplomacy.

Kathy Clarke's avatar

I solved the problem by leaving mainstream medicine altogether. Now I don't prescribe any statins or eat any drug rep free lunches.

Just_Henry's avatar

Drug reps are whores and the MDs they prey upon are their Johns☠️ Harsh, but true☠️

Kathy Clarke's avatar

I would say the MDs are also drug pushers, just legally authorized drug pushers. I honestly feel so ashamed to have been one.

MDskeptic's avatar

Have to give them credit for their skill set.

MarciaT's avatar

I wonder if they were checking male doctors as well? Or if, perhaps, the drug companies lean on women harder . . .?

TSMe's avatar

Perhaps, but I live in SAu too (?)

Steve Kirsch's avatar

thank you so much for publishing this.

Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

Thanks Steve, appreciate the cross-post.

webstersmill's avatar

Maryanne, Thank you immensely for this point/counter-point. Have family members who have been prescribed statins only to find they do more harm than good. Have read ‘The Clot Thickens’ by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, and will print your study (when I can get it from behind the paywall) and your counterpoint posting, and place it with the book for future reference. Once again, thank you.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Once one has become wise to the games Pharma plays, e.g. by reading Kendrick's books, I found a certain amusement in using Pharma's own studies to show how worthless their products were. Some info is indeed paywalled, but a lot are available for free on PubMed and such. My Substack has a few such examples. A scant few even original work, but I admit I borrow heavily from Kendrick.

Ninsuna's avatar

I am 71 and have been vegetarian for 57 years. Total cholesterol has been pretty high for years, as can be the case with vegetarians because HDL tends to be high. I do have high LDL but also high HDL and low triglycerides. The ratios have always been "ideal" to "good"... until this past year, when TC and LDL shot up, and now one of the ratios is "normal risk". (They never bother to test for LDL particle size, which is medically relevant, but hey, who cares?)

Anyway, because my LDL and TC went so high, my doctor wanted me to take statins. I refused. Instead, I'm eliminating eggs (typically 2 eggs every other day) and amounts of butter and cheese I had been eating (which had increased), along with starting to eat steel-cut oats every day again. (I'd stopped the oatmeal for quite awhile, mostly due to time constraints in the a.m.) Stress has been high with little time for "scheduled" exercise, but I stay nonstop busy pretty much.

The doctor's office gave me a form to sign with big, bold all-caps at the top "AGAINST MEDICAL ADVICE FORM", stating that I was "refusing" the recommendation to take cholesterol medication. I crossed everything out that I didn't like and re-wrote the text, simply stating that the physician had advised the use of cholesterol meds and had mentioned the risk of not taking them. I would not sign that I had "refused" anything. And I added "There was no discussion of the risks of cholesterol medication." Seems pretty damn important to me, but isn't an issue for them.

Providers may be advised by liability insurers to use those forms. But we know there's ZERO liability for any iatrogenic harm caused by the medical-industrial complex as they bombard us with all manner of risky drugs. Iatrogenic causes is still the third leading cause of death in the U.S., I believe (although with the toxic experimental shot factored in now, iatrogenic causes may possibly reach first or second place.)

Statins are poison.

TSMe's avatar

There is a growing body of evidence suggesting higher cholesterol in over 60s leads to longer, and healthier, life.

Not really surprising given cholesterol is critical to healthy bodily and brain function.

Eggs are probably one of the best sources of nutrition to sustain health. The historical link between consumption of saturated fats (butter, cheese etc) and heart disease is actually inverse.

I'd do a bit more research if I was you, before sticking with the changes you've made - particularly given you are a vegetarian. Cheers.

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Thank you! I am only eliminating those foods temporarily (and eating daily steel-cut oats) for 3 or 4 months before testing again to get the numbers back to their "normal high", which will get the doctor to back off. I do intend to return to those foods afterward, though perhaps a bit less of them again.

And, yes, I'm aware of the studies that have consistently shown that seniors with the highest LDL live the longest! I'm sure Pharma has gone to great lengths to keep that data as hidden as possible.

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But the #1 risk factor in all the risk calculators is age, so the older you get, the higher your risk number, even if everything else stays the same. So don't expect that argument to last forever with your doc, even though there is a negative correlation between cholesterol and all cause mortality after 65! Just tell the doctor, "No thanks." There is no convincing them, and it's your choice.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Actually there is a way to prevent growing older, although it's an option that for more circumstances is not highly recommended 😛

Ninsuna's avatar

Thanks, cat! No, I haven't but I'll check it out. I've just calculated all the ratios, which have always shown low risk, until recently when one ratio showed average risk. But I'll try your suggestion, just to see!

Just_Henry's avatar

Increase your vitD3 to 50-80 ng/ml achieved with 5000-8000 IU per day vitD3

Ninsuna's avatar

Thanks, VWT. My D levels are consistently in that range. I do take 5000 IU daily, occasionally doubling that for two weeks. I also live in Florida and try to get a little sun every day, too!

Vitamin D is so important... it's disgusting how the medical establishment fails to emphasize such info to the public. But too much health equals too few drug sales and profitable procedures, so...

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Agreed on the risks of statins. However, just how great a benefit is it to be vegetarian or vegan? I did a quick and admittedly superficial survey of a few studies and the results were -- surprising. See my essay:

https://satansdoorknob.substack.com/p/vegging-out-does-a-vegan-or-vegetarian

Ninsuna's avatar

Thanks, I've read a lot about the health pros and cons of various diets. But my vegetarianism was for ethical reasons from the start and that hasn't really changed. Health was never much of a factor for me, and after 57 years of not eating flesh foods for reasons of principle, it's not going to change unless I ever need to hunt and fish for literal survival.

Kent's avatar

Anyone I have known who has been on statins, has become a shell of what they were...dementia has set in at a much earlier age than expected.....The statins have been nothing but destructive and IMO should be avoided at all costs.....they deplete the body of the much needed cholesterals that the body needs for hormone production and brain function.....without it, the person becomes a hollow mannequin incapable of natural functioning and passion. Be forewarned, the statins pushed by the robots who pose as medical personnel, will destroy you as a human being.

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Attia is a very smart guy. But I believe you are 100 percent correct on this one. The true test? Just wait until the patents run out on statins. Suddenly there will be the next new thing!

TSMe's avatar

I believe the patents have expired on statins.

A credible theory on why they are still defended so vigorously by Big Pharma (other than they still sell them), is they have a multitude of new cholesterol lowering drugs being/about to be marketed. The last thing they want is for the 'cholesterol is bad' narrative to collapse.

If so, we can expect a shift away from statins in favour of 'better drugs' over time. Maybe they'll come up with an mRNA version. What could go wrong with that?

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I have a slightly different take.

First, allow me this comment: if drugs must be used, I'm more in favor of generics. Not only are they likely to be cheaper than on-patent drugs, but they also have much longer track records of benefits and risks. That they are lower-profit drugs also reduces the risk that your MD is financially incentivized to prescribe them. Or does it?

Statins are a prime example of a public health intervention that has been in place many decades. In terms of money and number of patients, I suspect it's one of the most widely used in the world.

In many cases, doctors are legally mandated to treat, or at least to advocate, their use in patients who merely meet certain threshold for treatment. Most of the money involved comes direct from government or indirectly via required insurance coverages. Drug makes still profit, even if they're selling generics. I suspect, however, that the bulk of the money goes to salaries of medical staff and government functionaries. Also, I think that in certain cases doctors get a reward/penalty based on how many of their patients are on the recommended treatment.

Much of the above is informed by my reading of Kendrick.

Summary: I've tried to make a case that, just because the drugs are generic, there is not an entire "industry" that is reliant upon a continuing flow of funding. There you have a "prime suspect" in many things medical: an entrenched self-interested group of individuals and corporations who seem to be more interested in collecting a paycheck, than providing a true health service.

TSMe's avatar

My understanding is that statins are now out of patent, so, generic options would be available. But, of course, the pharmacist is now the one in a position to push the branded over generic.

A plausible reason as to why statins remain so 'guarded' by Big Pharma (beyond the fact they still sell them), is that they have developed / are developing new cholesterol lowering drugs - perhaps even mRNA. So, it is not the statin being guarded, it is the concept that high cholesterol is bad, and lowering it is good.

I think there's merit in the longevity on market approach. I recall reading the FDA withdraws approval for 35% of drugs within 5 years as they are shown to cause more harm than benefit - and, my guess is, that's when they're not even looking for harmful effects. Cheers.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Just some late comments: Pharma routinely introduces new drugs. Some are true advances in the art, but many, perhaps most are at best tiny improvements over existing drugs. From Pharma's viewpoint, this makes sense: developing and testing a drug is very expensive, and they want to make a profit during the limited patent life. The patient is often the loser, because generic drugs that were as good or even better, and almost certainly with a better track record are deprecated.

Per Kendrick, whatever benefits statins may have is NOT due to LDL reduction but to other drug effects.

As long as the medical dogma is that LDL must be reduced, there will be a market for new (profitable!) drugs to try and knock it down. Whether they will be more effective than statins remains to be proven. My money is on "not very effective" based upon earlier drugs that lower LDL but barely reduce mortality, and in fact sometimes hiked it..

mRNA for LDL? Impossible, I'd guess. Do we really want the body's immune system to be attacking and neutralizing a substance needed to stay alive?

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Simon Thompson's avatar

I bow to your patience and diplomacy Maryanne! The statins an PCSK9 inhibitors have driven a stake through the Cholesterol-heart disease hypothesis, yet it refuses to die Too many shekels to be made I guess. What a massive misallocation of resources Keys set in motion!

Susan's avatar

Statins are toxic. They deplete natural CoQ10 from the body which causes heart attacks. Statins cause precisely what they are prescribed to prevent. Once again, its all about patents and obnoxious profits at the expense of the health of the population. The science can be found at MedPub and the other federal government medical research databases.

Ragna Raven's avatar

Only sober, well documented and honest science such as the above article can show the fakes the door.

John Toomey's avatar

Brilliant again Maryanne. I remember our chats between the first Catalyst Heart of the Matter Episode and the second and the efforts made to block the second show, and then the outrage following it's airing. I admire your ongoing work. There are too many good people out there taking these awful drugs and paying a hefty price.

The Real Dr. Steven Horvitz's avatar

Maryann- look into Osteoporosis drugs next. In fact you would do a great job showing how most of the traditional preventive studies and treatments for disease processes are flawed and so so biased by industry.

Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

Omg...yes...Bisphosphonates....it's on the (long) list.

The Real Dr. Steven Horvitz's avatar

The bisphosphonates share same pathway as statins and can have similar side effects.

Judy J's avatar

Thanks for cross posting this Steve. After seeing all the covid related lies I started researching the statin issue. I and my husband have both been on atorvastatin (Lipitor) for many years. I read a book titled "The Clot Thickens" by Malcolm Kendrick who goes into the real science of it and how those doctors and scientists who disagreed with the "cholesterol theory" were silenced. Hmm, this sounds familiar. I was aware that statins could promote diabetes. We both decided to quit taking it over a year ago. A few months after being off of the statin I started to drop weight. I've never been fat but consistently weighed 122 -124 pounds for many years. If I hit 125 lbs I would really cut back what I ate. Without changing my eating habits or exercise or anything the weight just steadily dropped to 110-112 which was my normal high school/college weight which I consider to be ideal. When the weight started dropping it dawned on me that the statin was making me insulin resistant which was keeping my glucose and my body weight higher than it would be normally. I no longer trust any doctors and definitely not hospitals. They are killing fields. We had to take a friend out of the hospital AMA as they would not stop trying to give remdesivir and were starting to lie about her oxygen requirements in order to put her on a ventilator so the hospital could make more money. Got her out. Took her home and treated her very successfully. Treated several others with what we know works very successfully with coronaviruses and kept them out of the hospital.

Kara Alicia's avatar

Statins are the cure for the MERS bioweapon. Look up Baric’s CV on the link below. You will find that Statins are the MERS cure.

https://the-studio-reykjavik.com/medicine

Sean Michael Bearly's avatar

Thanks for posting that. Every year my doctor tries to convince me to get the flu shot and start taking statins. I tell him I don't like taking medicine when I feel fine. But in the back of my brain I always had some concern that maybe I should be more open to taking his recommendations. But the Covid thing and now this study has convinced so many of us that we can't trust doctors, even nice ones. They are just the marketing arm of the pharmaceutical companies.

Jwm4ever's avatar

Start studying all the drugs and you will find them fraudulent. As you say they are paid for by pharma and pharma gets the best BS money can buy by very expensive statisticians. When people don’t like the criticism I ask them to explain how and why it’s ok for medicine to be the leading killer of all Americans. They are no good at health care but are very good at making lots of money off your misery. Can’t cure anything but they are the disease care specialist. Makes sense if you have a Nazi kind of mentality.