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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

"The question now is whether informed consent is even possible..."

And the answer is, there is no informed consent...

There has never been informed consent...

There is no informed consent for vaccination.

Because no-one has ever been properly informed about vaccination.

And when pressure, coercion, manipulation and mandates are in force, there can be no voluntary consent.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

I know, I should stop asking questions I know the answers to. 🫣

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

Au contraire...we need many more people asking...whether informed consent is even possible...

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Max Dublin's avatar

I assumed this was a rhetorical question.

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ginger_contrarian's avatar

Including the doctors pushing them! (Not being informed that is)

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

Exactly Ginger...the doctors haven't got a clue what they're doing.

They're not 'experts' in the diseases, nor 'experts' in the vaccine products.

They're just following government vaccination schedules without question.

And when pressure, coercion, manipulation, and mandates are involved, they're violating their own code of ethics.

The doctors are not qualified to obtain voluntary informed consent.

There's no informed consent.

Pretty huge when you think about it...

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Sam Frazer's avatar

Totally agree, Elizabeth.

“The doctors are not qualified to obtain voluntary informed consent.

There's no informed consent.”

The Black Box warning should definitely be there.

Makary and the FDA are still suspect.

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ginger_contrarian's avatar

And pretty damning to their own profession. I believe many patients are waking up to the fact that allopathic medicine is about pill or procedure- and that most well intentioned doctors are just taught a dogma and don’t have the time to think critically about each person in front of them. I had a terrible time after covid booster 2 1/2 years…developed autonomic dysfunction and POTs and most likely an autoimmune reaction to the spike. Never again. I can’t un see what I know now. Until you or a loved one is harmed it’s something hard to see. I had Covid before the vaccines were rolled out and recovered just fine. No problems. My husband and I had zero informed consent and he ended up with Afib and very aggressive cataracts at 55yo. We are not in vaers… no Dr will own up to the correlation even though my reaction was within two weeks!

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

The mind boggles at the number of adverse events that may have occurred, and were not recorded.

This is why everyone must think very carefully before they submit to a medical intervention, because if things go wrong, you're pretty much on your own.

And it's very tricky indeed when the medical intervention is...MANDATED.

Wow, it still boggles my mind that the medical 'profession' went along with mandatory medical interventions...in supposed 'free countries'...

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Paul Fallon's avatar

Yes!

There is no informed consent now and there never has been informed consent! Why? Doctors are just not qualified to give informed consent — even if they wanted to give informed consent.

How do I know this? Heidi told me!

It was the 20 year anniversary for the Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety.

Here she is, in her own words at the W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, in Geneva Switzerland:

“I mean, most medical school curriculums, even nursing curriculums, I mean, in medical school, you’re lucky if you have a half day on vaccines. Never mind keeping up to date with all this.”

Dr. Heidi Larson, PhD, Director of The Vaccine Confidence Project

The Highwire: Episode 400 (00:15:54)

https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/w-h-o-s-to-thank/

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Sarah Thompson's avatar

Always a relief to hear that the government has erred on the side of Pharma. I had almost forgotten to go to church. Vaccines, Amen.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

lol! Vaccines, Amen 🙌

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Joseph's avatar

I'm reading the "Vaccines Amen" book by Aaron Siri at present. Impressive.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

It is!

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Julian Gillespie's avatar

thank you Dr Demasi,

I will utter what is faintly heard under the breath of many Folk .. and please, pardon my French

- fuck Makary, Prasad and the FDA

.. should this echo to Bobby, too?

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Vivien C Buckley's avatar

This is precisely the reason I try not believe anything anymore. I read that a black box warning on the covid shots were coming. I told people. Now, I look like what everybody thinks, a conspiracy nut. I am shocked at this decision unless somehow pharma has cleaned up their harming and deadly shots to make them safe and we just don’t anything about it. I heard Vinay talk many times about the harms of these shots, now he’s behind the removal of the black box warnings? I’m so distraught and angry at this turn of events. Nothing makes sense.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

There were certainly people within the agency that recommended the boxed warning. Unfortunately, they were overruled.

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Richard Amerling, MD's avatar

Disappointing but not surprising. Vinay and Marty are mainstream players and haven’t shown much in the way of intestinal fortitude. And I’m certain Pharma is exerting intense pressure behind the scenes. They see this as a life and death situation for their many billions in risk-free vaccine money.

It will be up to states to remove all mandates and allow an educated public to make informed decisions about their health. Currently, NO vaccine passes basic risk vs. benefit analysis and the same holds true for most Pharma products, such as statins.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

It’s ironic (tragic) that childhood vaccines—administered to healthy babies—have been held to the lowest safety threshold. You really couldn’t make it up.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

it is tragic.

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Brian Finney's avatar

Re - '... I’m certain Pharma is exerting intense pressure behind the scenes....'

Absolutely!!!!

I suspect pharma have had Legal into FDA and this quote below attributed to Prasad is in fact pharma's position. FDA don't want it to end in a Court fight, it takes too long and drains resources they did a tactical retreat, lost this battle for the time being, but not the War.

'Prasad argued that earlier safety signals should not be applied to current use, because Covid vaccines are now administered annually rather than as two closely spaced doses during the initial rollout.'

“Now that it’s annual, you may not see that same prevalence,” Makary said. “So we don’t want to extrapolate findings to today if it’s not transferable.”

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Paula Chandler's avatar

Thanks Vinay….

Why am I not surprised

So one shot instead of 2 is the game changer? What about cumulative effects of yearly shots?

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

ACIP might need to step in somehow.

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Paula Chandler's avatar

I’m so dejected but again, not surprised. Too much at stake for the mRNA platform manufacturers.

Time will tell here. I only wish our people in place had 8 years.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

There are many mRNA products in the pipeline - too big to fail?! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Paula Chandler's avatar

Absolutely. The song by Jethro Tull comes to mind, “Locomotive Breath”. Give it a listen.

Too big to fail, too much money to be made.

As you know, in another time these shots would have taken 8-10 of study pre market. And if monitored accurately without incentive (ha ha!) they would never have made it to market. Listen to Bourla interview early on. He didn’t want to use this platform but “they” wanted it.

We are living in an insane world right now.

I’m thinking of driving an hour to Trader Joe’s to get their tiramisu from Italy. To comfort myself😅

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Max Dublin's avatar

"ACIP might need to step in somehow." But how? They have thoughtful deliberations and debates. They make recommendations based on majority opinion. And then all of that work is ignored. Should they go to the press? Which press? Most of the MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of Big Pharma. It is hard for the public who put their lives in the hands of their physicians to believe that most of them are mere drones, just following the orders of their betters in government who are also following the advice of Big Pharma. If you decide that you can't trust your doctor nor the government whose primary responsibility is to protect you where do you go? Off the grid? Go live in a cabin in the woods? The thing is that the average doctor is indeed competent in many areas. An antibiotic will indeed eliminate an ordinary infection. Modern medicine is not pure bunk. But it suffers from the same problem as does the UN where you have huge blocs of bad actors voting in the same forum as good actors.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

ACIP does not have the authority to withdraw a product’s licence—that power sits with the FDA—but it can vote to stop recommending a product altogether. Just spitballing, if the FDA publishes its findings linking Covid vaccination to child deaths soon, that new data could force a fresh review of ACIP’s recommendations. Who knows where that might lead.

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Dr. Steve Zimmerman's avatar

I recall Vinay Prasad on YouTube being quite vigilant against the MRNA shots….his shift is very puzzling and suspicious to say the least….

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

He always supported them for the elderly, just not for young people.

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Health Matters's avatar

My elderly Mom fell for the lie, jabbed 3 x's, and the dementia and side effects started within months. An E series bad batch took her from driving, shopping, going to church at 94, to talking in circles and fatigued constantly at 97. There is no Hell hot enough for these people...and as someone above stated...F*** all of them that allow this travesty to continue.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

Based on what data? The Czech data show these shots kill people... of all ages. We should never be recommending a kill shot.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

I suspect his support was largely based on observational data that showed reduced hospitalisations… (although those data, in my view, were flawed).

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VictorDianne Watson's avatar

This is a huge mistake!! Prasad needs to rethink this issue. We now know children have died, and, I believe, adults too. I’m almost positive my cousin’s husband died of the covid shot! We’ve also heard of many deaths associated with the shots. I am disappointed in his decision. People need to be aware of the possibility of death with the black box warning. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Maryanne!

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Michael Lardelli's avatar

Our favourite "3-letter-agency" has invested far too much in mRNA "vaccine" production to let the technology fall out of favour now.

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JB watching TV's avatar

Black Box Buffoonery ! Boofheaded Bozos botch beacon o badness !

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

😂

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Max Dublin's avatar

Thanks, JB. We certainly could use a bit of comic relief at this moment. I always look forward to your alliterative allure.

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BRIAN PETERSEN's avatar

Spot on again! This is disappointing for sure. Makes zero sense!

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

My friend Shane just got jabbed 3 weeks ago and now has serious pericarditis. He could have died.

I don't know what data the FDA is using, but NEVER IN MY LIFE *BEFORE THE COVID VACCINES* have I known anyone with pericarditis.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

3 weeks ago? Gulp…. cannot believe people are still opting to take this product. 😫

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Arne's avatar

Pfizer is running ads for a "PfizerForAll" program that, on its website, says "Inflammation of the heart after COVID-19 vaccination is rare, and most patients respond well to medicine and rest and feel better quickly."

Also: "Vaccine side effects can be uncomfortable, but they’re sometimes a sign that your body is doing exactly what it’s supposed to: building protection."

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

The good of the many. Since the black box warning was decided against, the "vaccine" world accepts collateral damage. Putting the failing in that thinking aside, what is the upside ? Immunity ? Non-transmission ? The logic of injecting a toxin, titrated so it hopefully will not be immediately lethal, for a disorder you do not have definitely needs more objective in depth scrutiny. I do not see the logic in risking potential harms from injecting toxins to maybe preclude the possibility of contracting something I do not have. Where does one draw that line ? Should I inject toxins to maybe not get a disorder that is a one in a million possibility ? The answer should be no. If that contraction possibility is 50/50, the risk/reward calculations change dramatically. So it becomes a risk/reward gamble where the odds should be accurately known, those odds chosen by the injectee and the decision informed. With the manufacturers being responsible for their own research and reporting of same, coupled with their being repeat convicted felons and known obfuscators of research data, Informed consent is a bit farcical.

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

It’s all part of the push for “preventative medicine.” It sounds good on paper, but in practice the harms often outweigh the benefits—largely because the system allows conflicted companies to mark their own homework.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

Agreed Richard! Pharma behind it for sure! Someone else needs to step up from ACIP and push back. One child dies is one child too many. Children are so precious!

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Paula Chandler's avatar

https://youtu.be/OyyQ2XRPOnI?si=qH-8_im8yko4ziTX

Here we are…

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Maryanne Demasi, PhD's avatar

great tune!

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